Seems I've had health issues for too many years. I used to be on this board eight to nine years ago back when they started and I couldn't figure out what was going on with my failing health. Candida, Food sensitivites, bloating, water retention, fatigue, depression, and panick attacks, liver pain and inflamation are a few of the symptoms I've been dealing with. The cleanses on this board to not work well for me, as years of stubborn belief in them and doing them has only led to feeling much sicker. They are just way too strong for my seemingly delicate system to handle.
Going raw vegan helped quite a bit until I became less and less able to process fats. Some of the tried and true ways I maintain my health are juice fasts and green smoothie fasts. Yoga is helpful, too if I can just get myself to stick with it! But now I've found I can eat more cooked food so long as I take MEGADOSES of chlorophyll.
I cannot intellectually understand what exactly the chlorophyll is doing for me, but it helps me feel so much better! When I first start taking it I could tell it's cleansing or detoxifying me. But here's the unfortunate thing about this: seems the more I take of this stuff (I'm talking absurd amounts), the BETTER I feel and can tolerate as far as any food or beverage. HOWEVER, it make my skin turn greenish!!! I tried cutting back to smaller amounts. My skin turned back to normal, but my health declined again!
I'd really rather not be green (it just ain't easy, as Kermit agrees!). But I suppose i'd rather be green if it means I feel better. Can anyone offer me any idea as to WHY my body might need chlorophyll? I would think if it were detoxifying something out of my system, I would feel better still even after discontinuing its use. But it seems I depend on it to feel better. it would be nice to find a different substitute that did the same action in my body WITHOUT giving me that dull green hue to my skin.
Thank you for any insights. I know this is a bizarre post. But believe me: My health journey has been anything but normal!!!
my thought is magnesium deficiency since chlorophyll is composed mainly of magnesium. but chlorophyll performs quite a few functions in the body, more than just adding magnesium. i am curious if you get the same benefit from fresh green drinks, like spinach juice or wheatgrass juice? i love spinach, celery, lemon juice, its really something. or do you only get the effect from pure bottled chlorophyll?
Chlorophyll has anti-inflammatory, antioxidant, and wound-healing properties. Chlorophyll and chlorophyllin are able to form tight molecular complexes with certain chemicals known or suspected to cause cancer, including polyaromatic hydrocarbons found in tobacco smoke. Chlorophyll is a good source of antioxidant nutrients. Antioxidant nutrients such as vitamins A, C and E help to neutralise harmful molecules (free radicals) in the body that can cause damage to healthy cells. Chlorophyll is an efficient deliverer of magnesium and helps the blood carry oxygen to the cells and tissue. Chlorophyll assists in the chelation of heavy metals. Chlorophyll has been studied for its potential in stimulating tissue growth and in stimulating red blood cells in connection with oxygen supply.
Chlorophyll also removes carbon dioxide and carbon monoxide, and has been found to reduce fecal, urinary, and body odor. Chlorophyll may reduce the binding of carcinogens to DNA in the liver and other organs. Chlorophyll may be beneficial in the treatment of calcium oxalate stone disease and that they may have some anti-atherogenic activity. It also breaks down calcium-oxalate stones, which are created by the body to neutralize acid, for elimination. Calcium oxalate stones are better known as kidney stones. Chlorophyll and chlorophyllin may have some antimutagenic and anticarcinogenic potential, may help protect against some toxins, and may ameliorate some drug side effects. Chlorophyll has been used traditionally to improve bad breath, as well as to reduce the odors of urine, feces, and infected wounds.
while chlorophyll in plants contains plenty of magnesium, the liquid chlorophyll sold in health stores contains none, instead sodium and copper have been substituted for the magneusium. I dont really understand why, but apparently that substitution makes the liquid more stable. so, if the bottled chlorophyll is benefitting you, its not because its giving you magnesium, it may have something more to do with its blood building properties or its overall body detox affects.
look on any label of any bottle of chlorophyll sold and you will see 'sodium copper chlorophyllin' as the main ingredient. no magnesium is ever listed.
Edit -- btw, this makes me wonder about copper. perhaps you are copper deficient? thats something to look into, each serving of liquid chlorophyll has about 4 mg of copper. are you familiar with dr. larry wilson? he is the copper expert.
No, I don't know anything about Larry Wilson. But I will be sure to look him up. Interesting theory. here, I was thinking it was an oxygen thing. Who knows, I don't even know what copper does in the body. But if LACK of copper can cause Liver issues, candida, bloating, water retension, depression, etc. than maybe it's a possibility. I don't even know how someone would get a copper deficiency.
Could a single obscure deficiency like that be responsible for nine years of poor health?
Thanks for the suggestion. If you know anything more that might help me, I'm all ears!
also, have you looked into oxygen therapy? there is ozone and hydrogen peroxide. also there is Miracle-Mineral-Supplement , but quite frankly i dont know much about it and cant really recommend it, its very controversial. there is an Miracle-Mineral-Supplement forum here on curezone.
oh ok, then, it does have copper. well then i suggest reading the copper article i linked.
have you been checked for anemia? how are your B12 levels? have you had them tested? if you have been vegan for any length of time you may be B12 deficient. anemia can be either a low iron and/or B12 level. have you ever taken an iron supplement? floradix has an excellent iron supplement. if your blood is low in iron it cant transport oxygen very well. hemoglobin is what actually binds to oxygen in the blood and transports it, every hemoglobin molecule is built around iron. so if you are low in iron you are also low in hemoglobin and you can transport oxygen.
you can get oxygen into your system by drinking ozonated water and/or by ingesting food grade hydrogen peroxide. but your problem may be that your blood is not carrying the oxygen very well, so just taking in oxygen may not help that. chlorophyll really does build up the blood since the chlorophyll molecule and hemoglobin molecule are very similar in structure, the only difference is that chlorophyll has no iron.
anyway if you take some iron and some B12 along with your chlorophyll and feels much better you might want to get checked for anemia. the B12 should be a sublingual methylcobalamin form of B12, NOT the cyanocobalamin form.
Thank you! I found an ozonator that I ordered years ago that I was too afraid to use back then. So I'm going to try that out. If it doesn't work for me it may indicate what you suggested, that there may be an underlying reason why my blood wouldn't carry the oxygen. Then i will try all those things you suggested.
I believe you may be mistaken on the Magnesium content of Chlorophyll. You see Chlorophyll IS essentially Mag. The molecular structure of it consists of a Magnesium Ion at the center, thus every molecule derived from a plant contains Mag.
The substituted Sodium and Copper you find in bottled products may be stabilizing agents used to preserve the liquid. I am not positive, just speculation.
Also, ozone and hydrogen peroxide is toxic to cells and can be very harmful if taken in the wrong amounts. Exercise caution when utilizing such a risky 'cure'. I personally wouldn't touch either of them.
you assert this: "Also, ozone and hydrogen peroxide is toxic to cells"
What is this statement based on? Do you have scientific evidence of this statement? Or are you like most ill-informed americans who actually believe the FDA and NIH and CDC are the good guys?
H2O2 hydrogen peroxide and Ozone Ozon ..hmmm "O" means oxygen ..read about the 1931 Nobel Prize winner in medicine. This is what he learned and published and won the Nobel Prize for:
THE ROOT CAUSE OF CANCER - Noble prize Winner Dr. Otto H Warburg. Dr Warburg has devoted his life to study the causes of cancer.
"All normal cells have an absolute requirement for oxygen, but cancer cells can live without oxygen - a rule without exception. "Deprive a cell 35% of its oxygen for 48 hours and it may become cancerous."
so rather than sounding like big pharma's spin doctors research before you post absurd comments where you claim oxygen is toxic to cells. Oxygen is the Life Blood of cells sir.
I get a nice result from taking Kamut powdered wheat grass juice ALONG with the bottled liquid chlorophyll, but if I compared the two and only had to take one, its the large doses of bottled liquid chlorophyll that have the most drastic effect on me. Which leads me to believe its the actual chlorophyll itself that is the active ingredient that is helping me as oppose to the nutrients in the wheatgrass (which obviously has more nutrients).
I doubt that the reason for the response is any of the above. I think you will find that you are activating gene expression of the cells' natural defences. You might find that a modest dose of 100% whole enzyme-active broccoli sprout powder will do the same thing. It is very much more potent than chlorphyll in activating cellular defences (including detoxification). Download a copy of "Switched On - Harnessing the Power of Nutrigenomics to Optimise Your Health" from Amazon Kindle and you will understand why.
For the past few years, my diet has been a glass of RO water with freshly squeezed lemon juice, and then a pot of wheat grass sprouts. The rest of the day I eat healthy and in moderation as far as possible.
Result - never felt better! Chlorophyll is like a fractal pattern affecting every part of our bodies that requires the energy of the sun! Inspired by the Essene Gospel of Peace
I don't take chlorophyll separately, but I've been drinking 3 (16 ounce glasses ) of green juice and noticed, no body odor, a decrease in urine odor and fecal odor as well. I try not to isolate compounds. It's always better if I take the whole food instead of isolating it, it's bad enough juicing gets rid of the fiber.
I did notice less bloating and stomach pains which I self-diagnosed as diverticulitis are not there either. I have been having burning sensations in my feet, Like someone lit a match and put it close to my right food and I'm wondering if that's from too much chloropyll, anyone?
well, I don't know why chlorophyll helps you so much, although I notice I feel almost immediately better when I take a dose of spirulina/chlorella.
I remember you from before, and we had a lot of the same symptoms way back then. panic attacks, difficulty with getting a Bowel Cleanse to work, which is still the case for me (no more panic attacks though). but my problem was, still is parasites, very resistant these things! how are you doing?
Hey there! I have never gotten very good responses with any of the cleanses on this site. I WISH. My body is just too sensitive, or my system is too delicate. I don't know. A Liver Flush will make me feel like death for a month. I'm scared to try it again!
The thing that boosts my health the most is either juice fasting on vegetable juice, or eating nothing but green fruit smoothies, or veggies, greens and fruits by themselves. (But this is easy to not stick to).
I'm sure I have tons of parasites, as SO many health practitioners have told me. Its just hard because the anti-parasite herbs are SO toxic for me. They make me feel so AWFUL. Its difficult to just function on. but maybe I should stick with them.
Chlorophyll probably just builds my blood, which I need because all the parasites are sucking away at my lifeforce! Haha.
I think I will just do the fruit and veggie diet for a month while taking the leftover LGB Schulze formula i have and see what happens. Maybe I'll get an edge on these little bastards!!! :-)
hi scarlet....I've found the same thing with diet, absolutely, being raw is where I feel the best. but hard to stick to. for years I kept at least a whole foods diet and this was okay... I was having such a hard time staying raw back then, I was sicker, so anything I tried usually I couldn't handle, and I was FREEZING cold. I've never been so cold in my life. I'm much stronger than those days now, much better.
and raw again now...and I feel really good...so far. but the parasites!! still there. vicious things.
I don't have answers on these things...although maybe this can help you..I had the exact same problem with taking herbs back then, it made me worse. and if not having a detremental effect, just the die off (or parasites being annoyed which is more of what I think it was...nothing was dieing)...I couldn't get anywhere with it.
finally, I found taking 'light' herbs didn't cause this, and I felt a bit better on them. things like hyssop, thyme, sage, sometimes male fern, which isn't light...but never gave me terrible reaction and usually helped. I'd get all my herbs in bulk and make tea or powder them, and then always kept on lbb or dr schulze intestinal formula, and good diet. I did this for a long time, years...it helped. with time I got a lot better, although I think diet, juicing, Liver Flushes were maybe more of the cause than these herbs...but it helped. later another boost was oregano oil and other essential oils internally.
but these are so strong! if regular herbs send you, these will put you through the roof.
I'm still trying to make up a Bowel Cleanse that will work for me...I've tried so many things, never saw any plaque and i know it's there. things could be a lot easier if this would work.
great hearing from you...keep me posted. I'm going to do a run of high dose chlorella/spirulina and green juices ...you've inspired me.
How do you know if you have parasites? Are there tests for them? What is an effective way to rid yourself of them? Is there a cure? I heard from a family friend that drinking apple cider vinegar kills parasites, is that true?? Thanks
What brand do you use and how much daily? I think you feel better because it may be helping your red blood cells carry oxygen. Not much you can do about the green hue. I used to take smaller amts of chlorophyll and I loved the natural smell I had. When I start back eating meat and everything, I get a really bad body odor even after bathing. I'm starting on a detox, and want to know which one you use.
I use ChlorOxygen. I think it's very possible its an oxygen related thing. That makes me wonder if taking just oxygen would help me, but I wouldn't know how to do that.
Before supplementing with mass doses of Chloroxygen, I HAD to be on a low fat, raw vegan diet to feel my best, but would get hungry on it until I ate more raw vegan fats, which made me feel worse because I don't digest fat very well, even with taking LOADS of digestive enzymes (which did help drastically).
I don't need to take as many (or any) digestive enzymes IF I take LOADS of Chloroxygen. i don't bloat as much with it and just feel all around better and more tolerant of things going in my body when i'm on it.
So what is this underlying problem that may be causing a lack of oxygen in my system??? Seems the lack of Oxygen is responsible for all my symptoms. I do get liver pain from time to time, but the flushes are way too harsh for me. Herbs are probly safer but have been known to send me to the ER and cause me to almost die twice now when taking them. It's like my body just can't handle the detoxing.
I know for a fact I'm extremely acid. but I test acid even when eating a diet of nothing but raw fruits and veggies, so I don't know what more I could do for that.
Well, first maybe you might want to incorporate more yoga, deep breathing type exercises in your life for the greater oxygen uptake. It may have something to do with the way your body works and it's complicated metabolic pathways. I, for one, have blood issues like anemia, low oxygen, and elevated porphyrins. If I go outside for less than 5 minutes, I will be burned to toast worse than someone out for hours. Doctors say it has something to do with my blood and those porphyrins. So my point is, when it comes to blood and hemoglobin pathways, it is a very confusing and complicated matter where answers are hard to find.
You know how so many people claim the raw vegan diet heals them? Well, I have to say that while it definitely made me feel more functional, it never solved the problem. Now, if I were to not eat ANY fats for a long time and eat nothing but raw, low fat fruits and veggies I would definitely feel myself detox and my health would SOAR. However, I usually get too hungry on this diet to stick with it. Ugh!
This leads me to believe that it IS an oxygen related issue because there is lots of scientific research that has proven that eating a low fat diet increases oxygen in the blood.
Just wondering if there is an easier way to get oxygen into my system. Or if there is a way I good GET RID of the REASON I have too little oxygen in my blood!
You're right Miss Scarlet, Chlorophyll converts carbon dioxide into carbohydrates and oxygen, cleaning the blood and supplying oxygen both!
Some claim there is little difference between chlorophyll and hemoglobin, the two structures called porphyn rings are very similar, the porphyrin ring of hemoglobin is built around iron while the porphyrin ring of chlorophyll is built around magnesium! Hemoglobin being the substance in human blood which carries oxygen from the lungs to the other tissues and cells of the body.
I got a message in my inbox from you saying you had this amazing solution for me and that I should read your reply to my chlorophyll question, but I try clicking on your response and there is no message in it. Now you have me curious. Could you try sending me your reply again?