I am convinced the herbal remedies which includes cloves supposed to kill the eggs, is NOT working. Google it and you will see it has been adressed before. And this is probably why people here "cleanse" for years and years and talk about "layers of parasites", duh! its just the eggs which have hatched!!!
Remember I myself passed what must have been 2 pounds of what I now believe were dog Tapeworm eggs "sesame seeds, "cucumber seeds" with zimecterin Gold, and that was just after a HW course...I feel so sorry for all the sick ppl...
First the cloves need to be NON irradiated, bet most just buy them at the grocery store. Second they need to actually reach the eggs which with some isn't possible since some critters have left the GI track. And third re-infection especially pinworms for someone with a lowered immunity due to parasites is quite huge.
Not useless, actually very good for more than just parasites:
The first recorded use of Cloves is by the Chinese TCM in the first century B.C. Cloves kills intestinal parasites and exhibits broad anti-microbial properties against fungi & bacteria, thus supporting its traditional use as a treatment for diarrhea, intestinal worms, and other digestive ailments.
Cloves is also known by the names Clavos, Clovos, Carophyllus, Caryophyllus, Ding Xiang, and Lavanga. This herb is native to the Spice Islands and the Philippines, but also grown in India, Sumatra, Jamaica, the West Indies, Brazil, and other tropical areas.
The word Clove is from the Latin word "clavus", meaning "nail", in reference to the shape of the buds. The genus name Eugenia is named after Prince Eugene of Savoy (1663-1736). The first recorded use of Cloves is by the Chinese in the first century B.C. During the Han Dynasty (207 B.C. - 220 A.D.), court visitors were required to hold Cloves in their mouths when addressing the emperor, so as not to offend with bad breath.
Folklore says that sucking on two whole Cloves without chewing or swallowing them helps to curb the desire for alcohol. Traditional Chinese physicians have long used the herb to treat indigestion, diarrhea, hernia, and ringworm, as well as athlete's foot and other fungal infections.
India's traditional Ayurvedic healers have used Cloves since ancient times to treat respiratory and digestive ailments.
The medieval German herbalists used Cloves as part of anti-gout mixture. Early American Eclectic physicians used Cloves to treat digestive complaints, and they added it to bitter herbal medicines to make them more palatable. They were also the first to extract Clove oil from the herbal buds, which they used on the gums to relieve toothache. A few drops of the oil in water will stop vomiting, and an infusion will relieve nausea. Essential oil of Clove is effective against strep, staph and pneumomocci bacterias.
Contemporary herbalists recommend Cloves for digestive complaints and its oil for toothache. Cloves is used to make vanillin, which is artificial vanilla. Much of the world's production of Cloves goes to making Clove cigarettes, such as Indonesian Kretaks for their stimulant action.
The familiar Cloves used in the kitchen is the dried flower bud. The primary chemical constituents include eugenol, caryophyllene, and tannins. Cloves are said to have a positive effect on stomach ulcers, vomiting, flatulence, and to stimulate the digestive system.
It has powerful local antiseptic and mild anesthetic actions. Cloves contain sesquiterpenes which have been shown to have significant activity in inducing the detoxifying enzyme glutathione S-transferase in mouse liver and small intestine. Japanese researchers have discovered that like many spices, clove contains antioxidants. Antioxidants help prevent the cell damage that scientists believe eventually causes cancer.
On the other hand, in laboratory tests, the chemical eugenol, has been found to be a weak tumor promoter, making clove one of many healing herbs with both pro- and anti-cancer effects. At this point, scientists aren't sure which way the balance tilts. Until they are, anyone with a history of cancer should not use medicinal amounts of Clove. For otherwise healthy non-pregnant, non-nursing adults, powdered clove is considered
Has anyone any experience with the VOLUME of parasites killed by any particular VOLUME of herbals?
And/or the VOLUME of their own infestation as accumulated over decades vs. the VOLUME accumulated over 90 days of non-treatment?
And the morphology of any particular parasite as they react to any parasite killer?
Also, has anyone actually done the daily sterilization of clothes and bedding and bathroom, etc.?
I have seen a woman cover her hands with plastic bags held in place with elastic bands, while she shopped. She did not let the supermarket cashier touch anything, moving groceries through the check-out and bagging them herself.
Kind of like closing the barn door AFTER the horses have bolted.
Besides, herbals are a routine cleansing, at least twice annually. There is no way to estimate the differences in reactions of your own parasite load if one had begun six months earlier...or later.
And, ANY difference from herbals proves the herbal is having SOME effect.
One parasite of mine has reduced in size, dramatically, in response to three Humaworm cleanses, and modest changes in diet, routine, etc.
Spitting all mucous and phlegm has helped, I know...even though the volume of that is small.
Often, I see a tiny dark 'something' in phlegm, against the white Kleenex.
I smile because I can imagine the future generations of 'somethings' that have been stopped cold.
Doing cleansings 'routinely' takes the worry out, and makes me feel better and better.
"Spitting all mucous and phlegm has helped, I know...even though the volume of that is small."
Two doctors have told me to sniff and swallow instead of blowing my nose when I have a cold. They say that if I blow my nose, my body will go to work making more mucous. But not if I sniff and swallow, because my body will have plenty. Sniff and swallow to diminish nasal congestion. That is their advice. And people want drugs from these barbarians. Please forgive me for violating the cardinal rule: no name-calling.
i guess that depends on how much you weigh, whether you took the herb with food or without, your P450 profile, the strength and age of the formula, the time of the month you are dosing, the season of the year you are dosing, if you are taking any other products simultaneously, and how toxic your liver is, among other things...
I too, used cloves. I purchased a bag of cloves from an Indian grocery store as I was waiting for my order of parasite herbs to arrive from Amazon. I soaked about 10 cloves overnite and the next day, had many eggs expelled. Now, I take the 2 capsules of wormwood/cloves/walnut hulls, 3 x a day and then inbetween, take the chopped, soaked cloves. I am having success but am trying Chinese medicine along with accupuncture for my constipation. I am drinking their herbs and am having many eggs leaving my body in my stool along with a regular large BM every day. It feels good to get on track with my health.
it's frustrating this isn't it...I know. I can't know for sure if cloves kills eggs as it claims, however, I can say that it did effect some parasite stage for me, because when I took it in high enough dose, my facial swelling went away and palor, and never returned. if you search on clove research, there have been studies done that showed euganol (from cloves) as killing worm larvae and inactivating eggs. does it get enough of them inside us though, I don't know. it, along with the array of other herbs I've taken, has not cured me. I still have a parasite problem...however, it has helped, my problems are nothing like they used to be.
one of the biggest problems with herbal preparations sold commercially is they are not strong enough to deal with infestation. that's my opinion. a small infection probably they are fine, for infestation....good luck.
I'll tell you the dosing I use of wormwood when I take it...not 200 mg or whatever are in commercial products, I take it by the gram, usually 5 gms (that's 25x the dose). when I take male fern, it's by the tablespoon. same with cloves. a bottle of little capsules of herbs would do nothing for me.
however...if you're going to experiment into dosing yourself with herbs...be careful, go slowly, find your tolerances, and know a bit about the herbs you're using. some you shouldn't use high doses, even wormwood I don't go higher than this.
anyway, hang in there...good your getting rid of this stuff either way.
hi newport...taking grapejuice with wormwood, will this help to do initially as well? what is it about the grapejuice? I usually don't take wormwood longer than 1 or 2 weeks, then switch to something else. I seem to get better results this way.
I've tried purified artemisinin (by allergy research group), and it had no effects...maybe I wasn't taking enough. I think I was taking 400 mg/dose 3x/day. too little?
- Wormwood works it helps to take out lead and kills malaria as well as critters throughout. The problem is finding high Artiminisin content wormwood and of course the body stops absorbing it after about three weeks of use unless you add grapefruit juice to it.
Could be that repeated use of wormwood also requires grapefruit or a mix that contains the enzyme needed for absorbtion.
thanks....I may try taking the grapefruit juice with it anyway. last night I did a Liver Flush with grapefruit juice/oil and put powdered wormwood in it. I woke up ravinous, it wasn't my hunger, I've felt this before, they were going crazy. they didn't like that combination I see. it killed a few of something, not really enough though. I'll keep at them with this for a bit.