Something happened over the weekend that slightly shook my faith in OP.
A few weeks ago, part of one of my crowns chipped off. My dentist said it was manufacturer's error, removed the crown, and put in a temporary. On Saturday night I was at dinner with friends and the temporary fell out. Immediately my breath and mouth smelled like....well, actually it smelled like my old piano teacher from thirty years ago, which was extremely strange. (I'm not kidding, by the way. This is true). I was in a lot of pain too.
So I left the restaurant and was rushed to the dentist, who saw me as an emergency. He said that the cement holding the temporary in place had been completely 'washed away'. What's more, it must have started leaking as soon as it was put in because bacteria had seaped into the gap, which accounted for the decay and the horrendous smell - the smell of dying human tissue.
So here's the problem. First, swishing seems to have dissolved the dental cement. (I'm also getting pains in other teeth, I think from swishing away fillings or whatever) But even though I swish avidly every day, and recently with oregano oil, the level of decay in my tooth was enough to eat away at the tissue in a mere two weeks. How can that be? I must confess, I'm perplexed.
Yesterday, the new crown was put on and I'm fine now. Still, it was a moment of confusion regarding the benefits of this whole swishing thing.
One thing I'm aware of is that oils can dissolve rubbers, latex, and some epoxies. As has been noted it is acidic by nature. I'm not surprised that it affected the cement used to secure the temporary. It is something that anyone with dental work will have to keep in mind.
The other thing to remember is that OP is not intended to kill off all germs. So, some bacteria that is trapped against flesh by a temporary tooth will likely not be washed out with other toxins. Also, the excretions will affect the raw skin more than it would healthy skin creating a toxic environment for the bacteria to flourish. And while you may not notice it, the daily pressure of chewing on a tooth, especially a temp that is losing epoxy, will cause scratches and scrapes to your gums in that area which will allow for more toxic build up. Basically, it seems you had an open wound created by the temp being pressed into the gum several times of day. Kinda like a bedsore in the mouth. If OP was a total disinfectant(100% kill rate) there would be no infection. But it is obvious from your experience that that is not the case. Because the irritant wasn't removed, no healing could take place, so the condition worsened instead.
Now, I have had pain in my teeth after OP. I connected it with a Liver Flush that I had just done, and my low levels of calcium, magnesium, and zinc. I have gotten those minerals up, and have not had a problem with pain since. I also do not swish when I know my minerals are very low, such as after flushing. But that is just me.
Thanks. I'm greatly reassured my posts I saw like this. I've been OP'ing now for about three months and honestly came close to beliving that it was breaking down, rather than helping, my mouth. I simply think it exposes weaknesses, and you're right, it obviously can't reach inside a sealed tooth. So all is well. The crown is fine, the old piano teacher smell has gone, and my worries have evaporated with it.
Oilpulling.com has a testimonial from a chap who had considerable previous decay before starting pulling. He ended up having to go to the dentist as he understood that pulling can help and prevent but cannot completely restore the unrestorable.
My crowns are the most problematic of my teeth. I think that it is easier for bacteria to hide within the confines on a partially open system. The cement is never a full seal (witness the amount of crowns that just fall out). The crown is rarely flush with the stump the dentist cut to place the crown on. This leaves exposed dentine to collect further infection.
If the tooth has a root filling there is a known problem of residual infection lurking within the socket which, as it has no blood supply left, continues to breed. The best the body can do here is to quarantine the area and contunally fight any bacteria escaping. The bacteria lurk in the spongy holes which in a live tooth have a positive drainage system.
The cement your dentist is using is obviously similar in disolvability to the tartar that collects on teeth that oil pulling is known to remove quite quickly (from experience of board members).
I have had no problems with my crowns loosening yet but, my dentist when he fits a temporary takes at least 10 minutes to wiggle it loose to place the proper crown. I hear of numerous people saying a temporary crown has comes loose. Maybe this is for ease of replacement when your proper crown arrives?
You may find pain in a live tooth stump as the dentine has no protection.
I think the best recommendation would be for you to find out the pros and cons of the cement bonds your dentist could use and the benefits to your gums and other teeth from the thorough bacterial removal. Take the time to do your own research (there are a lots of links in recent threads) and make your own decision. I understand that original listerine mouthwash/baking soda brushing is the next best option.
But I suspect temporary cement is not going to hold up to swishing no matter how you slice it - you might have to wait for the permanent one and give it a few days to set at that before restarting your protocol.
I hate the thought of having to give this up; I have a few crowns which I have been keeping an eye on - have not noticed any loosening but am trying to prepare myself for it if they do. Way too much positive has been gained in such a short time....I would be quite sorrowful if I had to stop it.
What did the doctor say about it - did you mention the oil or were you afraid he would not replace for free?
The issue is not having it pulled, it's the fact that they want to insert a titanium bolt into my jaw to hold the replacement in place. I have no metal in my mouth, do I really want to be putting some in? I wonder.
You may want to check out the CureZone Amalgam site before you get your titamiun bolt. Seems to be a lot of reasons to not have any metal in your mouth or jaw. With that said, I have a root canal and crown, that give me no problems, that I would hate to have extracted. I also have a mouth full of silver that I plan to slowly replace $$$$. I am feeling very excited about oil pulling, it seems to be helping me keep my teeth cleaner and my gums healthier. I would hate to give it up just because a chunk of old Amalgam fell off day three of oil pulling. Good luck with the permanent crown.
I notice the horror when I introduce the topic of natural health to my dentist. Most people now regard me as a total kook for doing this, yet I notice they're adopting certain aspects of my daily regimen themselves as I reap the benefits. My dentist would simply lose money if everyone discovered ways to combat decay and ill-health. He prospers from our weakness. In his eyes, our strength threatens the success of his money-grubbing kind. Good health ideas hold nothing for him. It's an interesting time.
I took my son to this dentist a few years back for a tooth cleaning, mentioned the mercury toxicity issue, and he literally spat at me that it was all a load of crap. I said, "How can you say that when the people who WORK with the materials in the dental field are dropping like flies???" Man was a complete idiot. It is amazing to me that they would not be more concerned for themselves, at least. Must be all the brain fog..heh.
First off, thanks for the good laugh about the piano teacher thing lol.....
I posted before about concerns about the acidity of oils that might dissolve things like tooth enamel. I still don't know the pH of sunflower oil. Maybe someone with a soil pH tester can test some different oils - not sure if a soil tester would even work.
Here's what you can do. Buy some P73 oil of oregano, preferrably the extra strength stuff. Place one to three drops in your mouth depending on the strength of the stuff you have... don't put anything else in your mouth. Work the drops of oil around with your tongue. In a few inutes your mouth will fill with saliva. Swish like you are oil pulling. Saliva has perfect pH for teeth and a few drops of the oil won't do harm when mixed with a mouthful of saliva, which has it's own natural enzymes and remineralization properties.
Still put it in a SMALL (a ml or so) amount of carrier oil. Oregano oil can irritate the mucous mebranes neat and it will be easier to get it around. Particularly between the teeth and into the gumline where the bad guys like to hide.
I woke up last night and remembered one of the actions of the oil (essential or otherwise) is to remove the film that builds up over teeth under which the anaerobic bacteria live and breed. Brushing and polishing ones teeth gets a lot of that off, flossing between the teeth some more but many surfaces and especially nooks and crannies get left to their own devices.
Maybe keep the swishing down to only a minute or so. enough to break the barrier but not enough to allow signficant degradation of your tooth cement.
Try a simple litmus test on your waste from swishing.
Now with respect to crowns and cement, what the 'professionals' know:
Effects of dietary oil contamination and absence of prophylaxis on orthodontic bonding
LS TanA, KK LewA and SL TohA2
A School of Postgraduate Dental Studies and, A2 Faculty of Engineering, National University of Singapore, Singapore
'The effect of contamination by dietary oil on acid etching has not been reported in the literature. If dietary oil adversely affects acid etching, then a decrease in bond strength is expected. ... It can therefore be concluded that the presence of dietary oil on the tooth surface does not adversely affect shear bond strength, even if prophylaxis is not carried out. Bond failures for all three groups occurred mainly at the tooth-adhesive interface. ' http://ejo.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/19/2/109
'DENTAL UNIT WATERLINE ANTIMICROBIAL AGENTS’ EFFECT ON DENTIN BOND STRENGTH
Conclusion. Dental professionals should be aware of potential interactions between dental unit waterline antimicrobial agents and dentin-bonding agents. Further research in this area is warranted, as the clinical implications are uncertain at this time.
Other research (I a not sure this is representative of an oral environment) on type of cement. Some were better than others.
'The disinfectants showed no significant influence on the loads required for debonding of Syntac Classic/Tetric Ceram, Clearfil Liner Bond 2V/Luxacore and OptiBond FL/Prodigy as compared to the controls. However, the use of disinfectants in the water supply of a dental unit decreased dentin bond strength in the specimens filled with Prime&Bond NT/Spectrum. Disinfectants in the water of dental unit waterlines may have an influence on dentin bonding, depending on the adhesive system used.'
But, maybe they weren't very good in the first place
'The long-term stability of resin-based composite to dentin bond strengths from single bond adhesives is questionable because after 2 yrs, bond strengths for two of the three tested dentin adhesives, OptiBond Solo and Syntac Single Component, were significantly lower than initial strengths.'
Haven't been on here for a couple of days, sorry for the slow response. It was not a crown that fell off, but a large piece of tooth and Amalgam filling on day three of my oil pulling. I do have a very old crown that I have not had any problems with and I have been pulling faithfully each morning with organic sunflower oil for 20 minutes for a month now.